Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Monday, November 28, 2011
Sunday, November 27, 2011
Saturday, November 26, 2011
Friday, November 25, 2011
The Team Phoenicia/Techshop Nanosat Launcher Seminar Video: NASA/Space Florida Feedback
This video is from the second day of the seminar. This is the follow-up discussion to the rules of the NLC. NASA and Space Florida asked and was asked a number of questions regarding the rules of the challenge.
Monday, November 21, 2011
Third Engine Sold!
Team Phoenicia is proud to announce that we have sold our 3rd Z150 rocket engine to Nova Rocketcraft. NRC is a based in Florida and considering an entry into the Nanosat Launcher Challenge. They came out to our seminar, as they did the first year it was offered, and were active participants.
We are looking forward to working with NRC in the future.
We are looking forward to working with NRC in the future.
Sunday, November 20, 2011
Saturday, November 19, 2011
Friday, November 18, 2011
Thursday, November 17, 2011
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
A Snapshot: The Team Phoenicia/Techshop Nanosat Launcher Seminar
We have a massive load of video from the second day. The first day, unfortunately, did not get recorded. We will be releasing the video over time. Team Phoenicia wants to say thank you to NASA, the FAA, Techshop, Space Florida and the various assorted other presenters.. With their help, this has been a massive success.
The active participation of the attendees was awesome!
Presentations will go up on Nov 18th. Videos will be released starting on Nov 25th.
Saturday, November 12, 2011
2nd Nanosat Launcher Challenge Launcher Agenda
This is the agenda for the 2nd Nanosatellite Launcher Challenge seminar. Note there is a parallel seminar on the Centennial Challenges at Techshop - Menlo Park on Nov 12th starting at 11:30 AM.
Note: This agenda is evolving as groups and individuals that we have contacted get back to us. Please check regularly for changes.
8 AM to 8:50 AM: Sign in and continental breakfast
8:50 AM to 9:00 AM: Welcome by William Baird of Team Phoenicia
9:15 AM t0 9:45 AM: NASA Presentation: Aspirations of the Nanosat Launcher Challenge by Samuel Ortega, Program Manager, Centennial Challenges
9:45 AM to 10:45 AM: Nano-Satellite Launch Market Assessment by SpaceWorks
10:45 AM to 11:00 AM: BREAK
11:00 AM to 11:45 AM: Nanosat Markets, Economics and Keeping Realistic, Carlos Yu
11:45 AM to 12:15 PM: Connecting to Launchers to Customers, Amaresh Kollipara
12:15 PM to 12:30 PM: BREAK
12:30 PM to 2:00 PM: Draft Rules Input for the Community, Space Florida, Percy Luney (as a working lunch)
2:00 PM to 2:15 PM: BREAK
2:15 PM to 3:45 PM: FAA AST presentation, Nick Demidovich
3:45 PM to 4:45 PM: Space Florida, Percy Luney
6:30 PM: Dinner at Techshop - Menlo Park
10:00 PM: close out.
November 13th:
8:00 AM to 8:50 AM: check-in.
8:50 AM to 9:00 AM: Welcome remarks
9:30 AM to 10:30 AM: Additional feedback to Space Florida and NASA
10:30 AM to 12:30 PM: Panel on Funding the NLC bids
12:30 AM to 12:45 AM: BREAK
1:50 PM to 2:00 PM: Team Phoenicia as a Supplier
2:00 PM to 2:15 PM: Advice on getting sponsorships, William Baird
2:15 PM to 2:25 PM: Generation Orbit, AC Charania
2:25 PM to 2:45 PM: Interorbital Systems, Randa Milliron
2:45 PM to 2:50 PM: Vog Rockets
3:20 PM to 3:30 PM: Cube Cab, Adrian Tymes
3:40 PM to 3:45 PM: closing 'remarks' by William Baird of Team Phoenicia
Feedback is always welcome.
Parallel Seminar DELAY
Due to a scheduling conflict the seminar will start at 2 PM instead.
Team Phoenicia is delighted that we will have a second parallel seminar happening at the same time the Nanosat Launcher Challenge seminar will be taking place. NASA, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, and Clean Tech Open will be presenting at Techshop - Menlo Park about the Centennial Challenges in general, Sample Return Robot Challenge, Power Beaming Challenge, and Nightrover Challenge.
UPDATE: THIS IS NOV 12.
This seminar is FREE and open to the public.
Draft Agenda:
2 PM to 3:00: The Centennial Challenges, Sam Ortega, NASA
3:00 PM to 4:00 PM: Power Beaming Challenge, Ben Shelef, Spaceward Foundation
3:00 PM to 3:15 PM: BREAK (tours of techshop available)
3:15 PM to 4:15 PM: Night Rover Challenge, Josh Neubert, Cleantech Open
4:15 PM to 4:30 PM: BREAK (tours of techshop available)
4:30 PM to 5:30 PM: Sample Return Robot Challenge, Colleen Shaver, WPI
6:00 PM to 6:30 PM: Thank you and invitation to the social
6:30 PM to 10:00 PM: Dinner and social (combined with Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar) Note: Dinner is NOT free.
Wednesday, November 9, 2011
Flight of the Second Generation Avionics Testbed
Team Phoenicia has been continuing to work on the avionics testbeds for the team's lander. The first step was a standard quadcopter. The second step, demonstrated here, is what we have been referring to as the tetracopter. It has the same layout of engines as the lander does, although obviously not the same kind. The intent is to develop and discover the algorithms for the avionics needed for our lander. We are working with a unique layout and that will require, in turn, unique flight software. With the integration of new sensors, the team took the tetra to the air ... outside and here are the results.
Thursday, November 3, 2011
Reminder: AAIA/SVSC Team Phoenicia Techtalk
Team Phoenicia will be presenting in the AAIA SF section and Silicon Valley Space Center techtalk series. We will be talking today (Nov 3rd, 2011) at 6:30 PM to 8:00 PM at Hackerdojo. This is a free session and we encourage as many as possible to attend. We will talk about our participation and progress in the GLXP and the ways that we fund our efforts.
Wednesday, November 2, 2011
2nd Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar Draft Agenda Updated 11/2/2011
This is the draft agenda for the 2nd Nanosatellite Launcher Challenge seminar. Note there is a parallel seminar on the Centennial Challenges at Techshop - Menlo Park on Nov 12th starting at 11:30 AM.
Note: This agenda is evolving as groups and individuals that we have contacted get back to us. Please check regularly for changes.
8 AM to 8:50 AM: Sign in and continental breakfast
8:50 AM to 9:00 AM: Welcome by William Baird of Team Phoenicia
9:00 AM t0 9:30 AM: NASA Presentation: Aspirations of the Nanosat Launcher Challenge by Samuel Ortega, Program Manager, Centennial Challenges
9:30 AM to 10:00 AM: Nano-Satellite Launch Market Assessment by Jeff Denis of SpaceWorks
10:00 AM to 10:30 AM: The Potential of an Affordable, Responsive Nanosat Launcher
10:30 AM to 10:45 AM: BREAK
10:45 AM to 11:15 AM: Nanosat Markets, Economics and Keeping Realistic, Carlos Yu
11:15 AM to 11:45 AM: Connecting to Launchers to Customers, Amaresh Kollipara
11:45 AM to 12:00 PM: BREAK
12:00 PM to 2:00 PM: Draft Rules Input for the Community, Space Florida, Percy Luney (as a working lunch)
2:00 PM to 2:15 PM: BREAK
2:15 PM to 3:30 PM: FAA AST presentation
3:30 PM to 3:45 PM: BREAK
3:45 PM to 4:15 PM: Mid Atlantic Regional Spaceport, Laurie Naismith.
4:15 PM to 4:45 PM: Spaceport America, Dr Bill Gutman
4:45 PM to 5:15 PM: Space Florida, Percy Luney
5:15 PM to 5:30 PM: BREAK
5:30 PM to 6:00 PM: Fourth Launch Site
6:00 PM to 6:30 PM: Fifth Launch Site
6:00 PM to 6:30 PM: Fifth Launch Site
6:30 PM: Dinner at Techshop - Menlo Park
10:00 PM: close out.
November 13th:
8:00 AM to 8:50 AM: check-in.
8:50 AM to 9:00 AM: Welcome remarks
9:00 AM to 10:00 AM: Additional feedback to Space Florida
10:00 AM to 11:00 AM: Panel on Funding the NLC bids
11:00 AM to 11:15 AM: BREAK
11:15 AM to 11:25 AM: CADTrak Engineering, David Levitt
11:25 AM to 11:35 AM: Second Supplier Presentation
11:35 AM to 11:45 AM: Third Supplier Presentation
11:45 AM to 11:55 AM: Fourth Supplier Presentation
11:55 AM to 12:05 PM: Fifth Supplier Presentation
12:05 PM to 12:15 PM: Team Phoenicia as a Supplier Presentation
12:15 PM to 1:30 PM: Lunch
1:30 PM to 1:40 PM: Generation Orbit, AC Charania
1:40 PM to 1:50 PM: Interorbital Systems, Randa Milliron
1:50 PM to 2:00 PM: Seraphim Aerospace Systems, Curt Walsh
2:10 PM to 2:20 PM: Vog Rockets
2:20 PM to 2:30 PM: Nova Rocketcraft, Sumontro Sinha
2:55 PM to 3:05 PM: Seventh Team Presentation
3:05 PM to 3:15 PM: Eighth Team Presentation
3:15 PM to 3:25 PM: Ninth Team Presentation
3:25 PM to 3:35 PM: Tenth Team Presentation
3:35 PM to 3:45 PM: BREAK
3:45 PM to 4:45 PM: Networking Session
4:45 PM to 4:55 PM: Samuel Ortega, NASA's commentary and closing remarks
4:55 PM to 5:00 PM: closing 'remarks' by William Baird of Team Phoenicia
5:00 PM to 8:00 PM: informal dinner at TechShop
10 PM: Close out.
Feedback is always welcome.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011
NASA Announces Allied Org for Nanosat Launcher Challenge
NASA AND SPACE FLORIDA SMALL SATELLITE RESEARCH CENTER PARTNER IN SPACE LAUNCH CHALLENGEWASHINGTON -- NASA has signed an agreement with the Space Florida Small Satellite Research Center of Cape Canaveral, Florida, to manage the Nano-Satellite Launch Challenge, one of the agency's new Centennial Challenges prize competitions.The Nano-Satellite Launch Challenge is to launch satellites with a mass of at least 2.2 pounds (1 kg) into Earth orbit, twice within the span of one week. The new challenge has a NASA-provided prize purse of $2 million.The objective of the competition is to encourage innovations in propulsion and other technologies, as well as operations and management relevant to safe, low-cost, small payload delivery system for frequent access to Earth orbit. Innovations stemming from this challenge will be beneficial to broader applications in future launch systems. They may enhance commercial capability for dedicated launches of small satellites at a cost comparable to secondary payload launches -- a potential new market with government, commercial, and academic customers."Monday's agreement between NASA and Space Florida for use of facilities at the Kennedy Space Center even better positions the organization for managing this new Nano-Satellite Launch Challenge," said Michael Gazarik, director for NASA's Space Technology Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Space Florida has extensive experience working with NASA, the FAA, the Air Force, commercial spaceflight companies and universities to advance their plans for spaceflight operations. We look forward to having the Space Florida Small Satellite Research Center overseeing the competition and bringing together innovative teams with creative problem-solving ideas."Space Florida submitted a proposal last spring in response to a NASA solicitation for this partnership opportunity. They will now begin detailed preparations for the challenge, publishing rules and then registering competitors. The first competition launch attempt is expected to take place in the summer of 2012.The Centennial Challenges seek unconventional solutions to problems of interest to NASA and the nation. Competitors have included private companies, student groups and independent inventors working outside the traditional aerospace industry. Unlike contracts or grants, prizes are awarded only after solutions are successfully demonstrated.NASA's Centennial Challenges program provides the prize purse for the technology and innovation competitions. The competitions are managed by non-profit organizations that cover the cost of operations through commercial or private sponsorships.In October, NASA awarded the largest prize in aviation history following Pipistrel-USA's win of the agency's CAFE Green Flight Challenge, sponsored by Google. NASA's $1.35 million first prize and a $120,000 second prize recognized competitors using electric airplanes to break all previous fuel efficiency records. The technology and innovation used in electric aircraft may end up in general aviation aircraft, spawning new jobs and new industries for the 21st century.There have been 22 Centennial Challenges competition events since 2005. NASA has awarded nearly $6 million to 15 differentchallenge-winning teams. Centennial Challenges is one of the ten Space Technology programs, managed by NASA's Office of the Chief Technologist. For more information about the program and descriptions of each of the challenge competitions, visit:For more information about Space Florida and updates on the Nano-Satellite Launch Challenge, visit:For more information about NASA's Office of the Chief Technologist, visit:
Team Phoenicia has been aware of Space Florida being the allied org in final negotiations since August when we started putting together the 2nd Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar. We are delighted that Space Florida will be joining us for the seminar and laying out the rules and requirements for participating in the NLC.
We will be updating the agenda for the seminar later today with the new information.
Congratulations to Space Florida. We look forward to working with your group.
Saturday, October 29, 2011
Team Phoenicia/Techshop Centennial Challenge Seminar
Team Phoenicia is opening up registration for those that wish to reserve their seating at the Centennial Challenge Seminar (aka Parallel Seminar) on Nov 12th starting 11 am at Techshop - Menlo Park. The response has been fairly strong and since this is free and open to the public, its is highly likely that the conference room will fill. We expect to be able to seat 120 individuals.
Registration will guarantee a seat during this seminar and dinner at the combined Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar.
Registration is $75.
Registration will guarantee a seat during this seminar and dinner at the combined Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar.
Registration is $75.
Monday, October 24, 2011
Regarding the Team Phoenicia/Techshop Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar
Recently, there has not been a lot of updates for the Team Phoenicia/Techshop Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar. The primary reason has been that we have been waiting for the announcement of the allied organization before updating the agenda. We know whom has been selected. We are just not able to announce it. It has been a little frustrating since we know that more than a few people are waiting on that announcement before signing up. The delay has been frustrating, if understandable: NASA has wanted to avoid some of the pitfalls of how some of the past challenges were run. Since we were part of the push for corrections on those challenges, we can hardly be critical if it takes a while to help get what we wanted for the participants, even if we are not ourselves participating.
Delightfully, we were just updated that the agreement has been signed between NASA and the allied org. HOWEVER! We were told to hang on for the official PR mill to get set to grind. This was not NASA's choice, fwiw. They want to get this out as fast as possible, too. They have been directed to hold off as well.
To that end, Sam Ortega, the Program Manager for Centennial Challenges at NASA, dropped us a note and is allowing us to share that with the community.
From: "Ortega, Samuel A. {Sam}(MSFC-MP92)"
Date: Mon, October 24, 2011 10:05 am
To: "Will Baird"
Will-
I am very excited about the upcoming opportunity to speak at the Nanosat Launcher
Challenge Seminar on Nov 12 - 13th.
To give you a status of the challenge to date. We have the Prize purse of $2M appropriated and set aside with our payment contractor ready to pay out if there is a winner of the challenge. We have been working to find an Allied Organization that will conduct the challenge in manner that will be beneficial to NASA but more importantly beneficial to the competitor. There are many things to consider schedule, media rights, intellectual property rights to name a few that we wanted to make sure would be acceptable to teams wanting to compete.
I am glad to say we have signed a Space Act Agreement with an Allied Organization to run the competition and will be announcing who they are on or about Nov 1, 2011. They will participate in the Seminar on the 12th and the 13th but may have to do so by telecon do to scheduling conflicts.
Thank you for putting the Seminar together. I look forward to Orbit 1 from any of the competitors.
Sam
Program Manager
Centennial Challenges
Now we know for sure that the allied org will be participating and the official rules will be presented. The official announcement as to whom it will be is on or after Nov 1st.
Saturday, October 22, 2011
Rover: Suspension Iteration One (part two)
Pictured are team members Steve Berl, Nick Kelsey and Mark Crockett.
Friday, October 21, 2011
Rover: Suspension Iteration One
Pictured are team members Bob Monsen and Nick Kelsey with Team Leader Will Baird at Techshop - Menlo Park.
Thursday, October 20, 2011
Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Team Phoenicia's Seminars on Evadot! "So you want to launch your own space hardware eh? Psst. you can!"
Mike Doornbos welcomes us back on evadot for a podcast to talk about our two joint seminars in November! The first is the Team Phoenicia/Techop Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar and the second is the Team Phoenicia/Techshop Parallel Centennial Challenge Seminar. Registration is open and required for the Nanosat Launcher Challenge seminar. The Parallel Centennial Challenge Seminar is open to the public. There is a joint dinner and social on the 12th at techshop.
We are absolutely thrilled that Mike has invited us back.
Tuesday, October 18, 2011
Monday, October 10, 2011
New Sponsor: Fingertech Robotics
Team Phoenicia is proud to announce that Fingertech Robotics has become one of the sponsors of our mechanical prototype rover, At the Foot of Pangaea, as we work towards our final flight hardware rover, Victory at Pangaea. Their lightweight, but powerful motors are making a significant difference in our efforts and we are delighted that they have joined our backers.
Special Thanks to Professional Plastics
We are pleased to say that Professional Plastics for their help in working on our rover. They have been supplying material needed for parts on our mechanical prototype rover.
The intent of this stage of the rover development is that we demonstrate the ability to fit our rover within our known bounding box for our rover payload while deploying to its full footprint and clearance. This is a nontrivial thing and since we have ten days until our unveiling, the help is more than appreciated.
Thank you, John and our other friends at Professional Plastics.
Lunar Mining [Part 4]: Eclipse by Reality of the Economics of Lunar Mining
Introduction:
This is our fourth and final article on whether or not it makes sense to attempt to exploit the resources that are available on the moon. When Team Phoenicia started working on our rover design, we thought to ask whether or not we ought to outfit the Victory at Pangaea – our rover – with sensors tailored to help a nascent lunar mining operation kick off. To figure this out, we dug into the costs and economics of mining the moon. These posts that we have been writing are touching on what we found and our very basic conclusions.
That said, we have tried to write this post multiple times. We tried cobbling together several technologically plausible scenarios for how lunar resources could be extracted and sent on their merry way to the markets of earth. We attempted to directly walk through the terrestrial process and illuminate what might be done on a lunar mining operation. After each iteration was written, we examined the resulting product. The articles meandered and lost focus. They laid bloated and indigestible on the screen. They simply did not work. So we sat back and looked once more at what are the real issues are for a lunar mining operation.
In the end, there are really three issues that must be addressed if any one entity will ever exploit lunar resources. The first is whether or not it is viable under the law to find and prove a lunar resource. The second is whether or not it is economical to extract from and refine that resource. Finally, it is whether or not it is even remotely viable to move those raw or refined resources back to a market.
These all combine, like some Japanese anime robot, into a single question. Is it possible to mine the moon and turn a profit with the above problems? Let’s examine each of the three above and see what we find and whether or not they actually fit together for a profit making venture or if they are merely smoke and mirrors…or at best premature.
Finding…and Proving
It’s an interesting dichotomy that exists here for Moon mining schema, it may actually be very easy, or relatively so, to find a resource on the moon for exploitation. Remote sensing has become a wondrous beast these days. Satellites and aircraft are picking up mineral resources all the time now. In fact, aircraft found sources of rare earth element ore bodies that are worth exploiting in Afghanistan that may help that poor place find another path than the one what it is on. Similar technologies to this can be used on the moon and have been. Mineral maps are updated every single time that there is a new orbiter placed around the moon. Their resolution is getting better and better. So long as the regolith is not obscuring the underlying ores, or giving a false positive, orbiters may be able to pick out the target ‘mother lodes’ long before a lander or rover touches down. The search need not be as erratic as it can be on Earth.
The flip side of that dichotomy is not discovering the resource, but proving that it is what your lunar prospecting bots say it is. Consider: your rover that you send up must take five cores that are over 15 m (50 ft) long/deep for examination. Each of these is around 100 kg (220 lbs). These must be examined from top to bottom to verify that the mineral ore is present in quantities claimed. Mining companies then use an independent, trustworthy party to do that assessment.
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Stop and read that again. An independent, trustworthy party. There are very few independent parties that will be willing to build their own rover with the necessary instrumentation to examine those cores. If there were, it would mean that they might violate the second part: trustworthy. They would have too much of a vested interest in making the lunar mining endeavor work. That means that the cores must be returned to earth for examination. What does that entail?
To get back samples to the earth’s surface from the Moon takes 2700 m/s of delta V (or change in velocity) if you use aerobraking, if you don’t it’s higher. Note: lithobraking is highly frowned on. While this is highly contingent on what propellants would be used, let’s use what Team Phoenicia has planned: RP-1/LOX. This would require, with the assumed losses, that the dry mass of the rocket and payload be 10% of the total rocket launching from the lunar surface returning to earth. Let’s be extremely generous and state that the payload is 5% of the dry mass of the rocket. What is the total GLOW – Gross Lift Off Weight (erm, mass) – needed for 1000 kg of lunar core sample payload to be returned earth? If the 1000 kg is 10% of the dry mass and the dry mass is 10% of the GLOW? Then we get a rocket massing 100,000 kg at lift off from the lunar surface…
So to deliver that sized rocket would require multiple Falcon9 launches. How many? 50+. At $55 million each…Oh. Oh my. Wipe that. What about FalconHeavies? At $80 million each? Uh. So obviously, we just busted the bank just proving the source. It should be noted that even this unoptimized design is still around $2.75 billion for the F9 and $560 million for the FH, just for the launch costs.
Interestingly, as an aside, the amount of material returned by the Apollo program was in the same range…and cost around $100 billion (2011). Now, the Apolloans did a lot more than merely dig up core samples and the costs of our core sampler rover have not been included, but the worst case scenario is still an order of magnitude cheaper than the Apollo program. The 1000 lbs of material cost $100 million/lbs. With the core bot and SpaceX, this will cost $5.5+ million/lbs.
There are ways to tweak this problem. The propellants can be swapped to hydrogen or methane for better mass fractions. The mongo rocket could be broken up into five rockets to allow for multiple (!) rounds of funding. NASA or some other space agency may be willing to buy the core samples, if legal, from the lunar mining operation. It may be possible to manufacture LOX on the lunar surface from the regolith. Etc. Even so, just proving the resource would still be at least the cost of the bringing a mine from nada to fully operational on earth, from conception to discovery to proving to refining to even down to delivery. And there are several more steps before the moon resource is even a viable mine. This is only proving that the mineral ores are actually viable … if they were readily accessible.
However, let’s make the assumption that the magic $500/lbs to LEO rockets happen soon and can be used for lunar mining? That would still leave us proving a lunar source costing more than opening an entirely new terrestrial mine. What about $100/lbs to LEO? Um. No one is talking that price range now or in the foreseeable future.
In some ways, we ought to call a halt here. We hit such a huge iceberg for this titanic mining venture that it ought to sink. We want to make sure that the lesson gets driven home. Let’s use the $100/lbs to LEO model and take a look at the mining process refinement that would need to take place.
Refining the Process…and the mineral!
For rare earth elements or platinum group metals, the refining process must be tailored carefully to the ore in question in order to extract the desired metals. The laboratories that this must be done in are here on earth. There is no way that this can be done on the Moon without placing a manned colony there and even then it would be extremely difficult to do. Sadly that remains even more uneconomical. However, the dominating cost for working out the details is the amount of material that must be moved back to earth to be worked on.
The answer we got back from the mining folks? 20 tons.
A half ton was as much as the cost of the opening a terrestrial mine. 20 tons now puts us, well past the order of magnitude in cost for transport using rockets than what is required to open a terrestrial mine.
Even so, let’s continue.
Just Get Me to the Church, Get Me to the Church…erm…Market on Time.
Ok. So, it ought to be obvious that working with a rocket even with $100/lbs to LEO is not going to work here. You would need the previous step to cost $10/lbs to LEO to have a snowball’s chance in the sun to make a lunar mine remotely viable up through proving the process, barring tweaks.
The Sixth Way
Might there be another way? Besides the pleasure of possibly making Robert Heinlein smile in his grave, we talked with the folks that are building the United States Navy their whopping big EM cannon – railgun! – to ask a few pointed questions if it might not be possible to at least fling back the refined metals (preferably) or ore back to earth. In digging around, we found that there were two systems being actively developed that might have applicability.
The first was the railgun effort headed up by the United States Navy. This is an attempt to build a new 200+ mile range weapon for the navy. Some herald this as the return of the battleship because surface ships would be able to engage with guns at ranges only aircraft and missiles could before. Whether or not this would be the return of massive surface ships is only tangential to our interests though: we need a highly energetic propeller of mass from the lunar surface to LEO in the form of an EM gun. A railgun most definitely counts as that.
The second system we looked into that is being developed is the EMALS. This is a linear induction motor being developed for the Gerald R Ford class of nuclear aircraft carriers. This is intended as a replacement for steam catapults that have graced American carriers for decades now. The EMALS system recently test-launched an F/A-18E fighter at 20 metric tons (plus or minus and see test below). While not as fast as a railgun, it definitely can drive mass.
Given that there were two systems in development, we thought to seek out the manufacturer of each and find out what they thought. We spoke with Thomas Hurn of General Atomics about their work for the US Navy on railguns and the linear induction motor for the EMALS catapult system for launching naval fighters off the new Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers. Thomas was delighted to work out the numbers for us, but even before he started, he stated that the linear induction motor was not what we wanted. We needed a railgun for any attempt to lob back material from the lunar surface using an EM gun.
Railguns have come a long way since the mid 1990s when I was actively following them. Back in the day, they had significant problems. The power switching for high energy applications was not up for the task of large slugs at high velocity. The rails themselves would arc and erode, as the slug would be launched. The equipment was enormous and unwieldy. However, times have changed and technology has marched on. So much so that the US Navy is looking forward to moving from a lab environment to a shipboard system within the next decade.
General Atomics has a railgun that fires regularly fires at 2 megajoules. The system, named Blizter, masses between ten and fifteen tons. They use it regularly enough that they can and do fire it very frequently. The technology involved is scalable. The technology is even modular so that chunks of it can be dropped in placed as needed for more power and, through that, velocity.
The technology of Blizter is scalable enough that the USN and General Atomics tested a newer, larger railgun here recently. This is not a mere 2 megajoules railgun, but rather a 32 megajoule beast. The vetted public video of the test firing is below.
Consider what a 32 megajoule railgun could do. Kinetic energy is defined as one half the mass of the slug times the square of the velocity. If we had a one kilogram slug, that railgun could lob it at around 8,000 m/s. That’s more than enough umph to get a 1 kg slug from the moon’s surface to low earth orbit. In fact, its enough to get a 16 ½ kg slug back to LEO if aerobraking were used.
The state of the art railgun is enough for being used as a mass driver. However, for lunar mining the railgun we need will be significantly larger. What about one for one ton slugs?
Thomas stated that the technology at this point was relatively linear for building up capacity in the energy to mass ratio, although understandably, he didn’t reveal the exact numbers. After all, its for the USN’s new uber cannon after all that is intended have a 200+ mile (300+ km) range. However, given that Blizter is somewhere between 10 to 15 tons, that gives us a base number to work with if we can figure out the energy required for one ton slugs.
Thomas was kind enough to provide a ballpark number. That number was in excess of 2 gigajoules. That’s enough for us to try to extrapolate a minimum system mass. That would come in around 1000 times more massive than Blizter…which makes it as massive as a USN Ticonderoga class cruiser by itself.
While being awesomely scalable, it would literally require hundreds of FalconHeavy launches to get to the Moon. A one ton slug of pure platinum, our upper bound for a first approximation of economic viability, would be worth around $55 million. Just to cover the costs of the FalconHeavy launches, it would take four plus slugs for a single launch with equipment and that would just cover the equipment for transport back to earth and not the refining.
In the end…
There is no way, even with exorbitant PGM prices in excess of $50,000/kg that it is remotely economically viable to mine the moon. Proving the source alone would break the budget for mine development when compared to terrestrial sources. Getting the mining process worked out, even when not taking into consideration the very unique lunar conditions, will also break the bank several times over. The cost of transport dominates the equation and that will not change sufficiently enough to make the endeavor viable.
Continuing to claim that it is viable and worth pursuing at this point is … presenting as much of a chimera to potential backers as suggesting that mining Helium-3 is. It is a hue disservice to us all. All it takes is a potential backer to consult a mining professional to discredit the position. Then, more than likely, the backer will be averse to working with many, if not most Moon projects. Perhaps someday in the future lunar platinum group and rare earth element mining will become viable, unlike He-3, but…not now. Definitely not now or even in the foreseeable future.
In wrap up, Team Phoenicia’s rover, Victory on Pangaea, will not be sporting a instrument package that is designed around helping a lunar mining operation get underway. Alas.
PS. Yes, this was the short version of the article.
PPS. This applies to asteroid mining as well.
This is our fourth and final article on whether or not it makes sense to attempt to exploit the resources that are available on the moon. When Team Phoenicia started working on our rover design, we thought to ask whether or not we ought to outfit the Victory at Pangaea – our rover – with sensors tailored to help a nascent lunar mining operation kick off. To figure this out, we dug into the costs and economics of mining the moon. These posts that we have been writing are touching on what we found and our very basic conclusions.
That said, we have tried to write this post multiple times. We tried cobbling together several technologically plausible scenarios for how lunar resources could be extracted and sent on their merry way to the markets of earth. We attempted to directly walk through the terrestrial process and illuminate what might be done on a lunar mining operation. After each iteration was written, we examined the resulting product. The articles meandered and lost focus. They laid bloated and indigestible on the screen. They simply did not work. So we sat back and looked once more at what are the real issues are for a lunar mining operation.
In the end, there are really three issues that must be addressed if any one entity will ever exploit lunar resources. The first is whether or not it is viable under the law to find and prove a lunar resource. The second is whether or not it is economical to extract from and refine that resource. Finally, it is whether or not it is even remotely viable to move those raw or refined resources back to a market.
These all combine, like some Japanese anime robot, into a single question. Is it possible to mine the moon and turn a profit with the above problems? Let’s examine each of the three above and see what we find and whether or not they actually fit together for a profit making venture or if they are merely smoke and mirrors…or at best premature.
Finding…and Proving
It’s an interesting dichotomy that exists here for Moon mining schema, it may actually be very easy, or relatively so, to find a resource on the moon for exploitation. Remote sensing has become a wondrous beast these days. Satellites and aircraft are picking up mineral resources all the time now. In fact, aircraft found sources of rare earth element ore bodies that are worth exploiting in Afghanistan that may help that poor place find another path than the one what it is on. Similar technologies to this can be used on the moon and have been. Mineral maps are updated every single time that there is a new orbiter placed around the moon. Their resolution is getting better and better. So long as the regolith is not obscuring the underlying ores, or giving a false positive, orbiters may be able to pick out the target ‘mother lodes’ long before a lander or rover touches down. The search need not be as erratic as it can be on Earth.
The flip side of that dichotomy is not discovering the resource, but proving that it is what your lunar prospecting bots say it is. Consider: your rover that you send up must take five cores that are over 15 m (50 ft) long/deep for examination. Each of these is around 100 kg (220 lbs). These must be examined from top to bottom to verify that the mineral ore is present in quantities claimed. Mining companies then use an independent, trustworthy party to do that assessment.
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Stop and read that again. An independent, trustworthy party. There are very few independent parties that will be willing to build their own rover with the necessary instrumentation to examine those cores. If there were, it would mean that they might violate the second part: trustworthy. They would have too much of a vested interest in making the lunar mining endeavor work. That means that the cores must be returned to earth for examination. What does that entail?
To get back samples to the earth’s surface from the Moon takes 2700 m/s of delta V (or change in velocity) if you use aerobraking, if you don’t it’s higher. Note: lithobraking is highly frowned on. While this is highly contingent on what propellants would be used, let’s use what Team Phoenicia has planned: RP-1/LOX. This would require, with the assumed losses, that the dry mass of the rocket and payload be 10% of the total rocket launching from the lunar surface returning to earth. Let’s be extremely generous and state that the payload is 5% of the dry mass of the rocket. What is the total GLOW – Gross Lift Off Weight (erm, mass) – needed for 1000 kg of lunar core sample payload to be returned earth? If the 1000 kg is 10% of the dry mass and the dry mass is 10% of the GLOW? Then we get a rocket massing 100,000 kg at lift off from the lunar surface…
So to deliver that sized rocket would require multiple Falcon9 launches. How many? 50+. At $55 million each…Oh. Oh my. Wipe that. What about FalconHeavies? At $80 million each? Uh. So obviously, we just busted the bank just proving the source. It should be noted that even this unoptimized design is still around $2.75 billion for the F9 and $560 million for the FH, just for the launch costs.
Interestingly, as an aside, the amount of material returned by the Apollo program was in the same range…and cost around $100 billion (2011). Now, the Apolloans did a lot more than merely dig up core samples and the costs of our core sampler rover have not been included, but the worst case scenario is still an order of magnitude cheaper than the Apollo program. The 1000 lbs of material cost $100 million/lbs. With the core bot and SpaceX, this will cost $5.5+ million/lbs.
There are ways to tweak this problem. The propellants can be swapped to hydrogen or methane for better mass fractions. The mongo rocket could be broken up into five rockets to allow for multiple (!) rounds of funding. NASA or some other space agency may be willing to buy the core samples, if legal, from the lunar mining operation. It may be possible to manufacture LOX on the lunar surface from the regolith. Etc. Even so, just proving the resource would still be at least the cost of the bringing a mine from nada to fully operational on earth, from conception to discovery to proving to refining to even down to delivery. And there are several more steps before the moon resource is even a viable mine. This is only proving that the mineral ores are actually viable … if they were readily accessible.
However, let’s make the assumption that the magic $500/lbs to LEO rockets happen soon and can be used for lunar mining? That would still leave us proving a lunar source costing more than opening an entirely new terrestrial mine. What about $100/lbs to LEO? Um. No one is talking that price range now or in the foreseeable future.
In some ways, we ought to call a halt here. We hit such a huge iceberg for this titanic mining venture that it ought to sink. We want to make sure that the lesson gets driven home. Let’s use the $100/lbs to LEO model and take a look at the mining process refinement that would need to take place.
Refining the Process…and the mineral!
For rare earth elements or platinum group metals, the refining process must be tailored carefully to the ore in question in order to extract the desired metals. The laboratories that this must be done in are here on earth. There is no way that this can be done on the Moon without placing a manned colony there and even then it would be extremely difficult to do. Sadly that remains even more uneconomical. However, the dominating cost for working out the details is the amount of material that must be moved back to earth to be worked on.
The answer we got back from the mining folks? 20 tons.
A half ton was as much as the cost of the opening a terrestrial mine. 20 tons now puts us, well past the order of magnitude in cost for transport using rockets than what is required to open a terrestrial mine.
Even so, let’s continue.
Just Get Me to the Church, Get Me to the Church…erm…Market on Time.
Ok. So, it ought to be obvious that working with a rocket even with $100/lbs to LEO is not going to work here. You would need the previous step to cost $10/lbs to LEO to have a snowball’s chance in the sun to make a lunar mine remotely viable up through proving the process, barring tweaks.
The Sixth Way
Might there be another way? Besides the pleasure of possibly making Robert Heinlein smile in his grave, we talked with the folks that are building the United States Navy their whopping big EM cannon – railgun! – to ask a few pointed questions if it might not be possible to at least fling back the refined metals (preferably) or ore back to earth. In digging around, we found that there were two systems being actively developed that might have applicability.
The first was the railgun effort headed up by the United States Navy. This is an attempt to build a new 200+ mile range weapon for the navy. Some herald this as the return of the battleship because surface ships would be able to engage with guns at ranges only aircraft and missiles could before. Whether or not this would be the return of massive surface ships is only tangential to our interests though: we need a highly energetic propeller of mass from the lunar surface to LEO in the form of an EM gun. A railgun most definitely counts as that.
The second system we looked into that is being developed is the EMALS. This is a linear induction motor being developed for the Gerald R Ford class of nuclear aircraft carriers. This is intended as a replacement for steam catapults that have graced American carriers for decades now. The EMALS system recently test-launched an F/A-18E fighter at 20 metric tons (plus or minus and see test below). While not as fast as a railgun, it definitely can drive mass.
Given that there were two systems in development, we thought to seek out the manufacturer of each and find out what they thought. We spoke with Thomas Hurn of General Atomics about their work for the US Navy on railguns and the linear induction motor for the EMALS catapult system for launching naval fighters off the new Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers. Thomas was delighted to work out the numbers for us, but even before he started, he stated that the linear induction motor was not what we wanted. We needed a railgun for any attempt to lob back material from the lunar surface using an EM gun.
Railguns have come a long way since the mid 1990s when I was actively following them. Back in the day, they had significant problems. The power switching for high energy applications was not up for the task of large slugs at high velocity. The rails themselves would arc and erode, as the slug would be launched. The equipment was enormous and unwieldy. However, times have changed and technology has marched on. So much so that the US Navy is looking forward to moving from a lab environment to a shipboard system within the next decade.
General Atomics has a railgun that fires regularly fires at 2 megajoules. The system, named Blizter, masses between ten and fifteen tons. They use it regularly enough that they can and do fire it very frequently. The technology involved is scalable. The technology is even modular so that chunks of it can be dropped in placed as needed for more power and, through that, velocity.
The technology of Blizter is scalable enough that the USN and General Atomics tested a newer, larger railgun here recently. This is not a mere 2 megajoules railgun, but rather a 32 megajoule beast. The vetted public video of the test firing is below.
Consider what a 32 megajoule railgun could do. Kinetic energy is defined as one half the mass of the slug times the square of the velocity. If we had a one kilogram slug, that railgun could lob it at around 8,000 m/s. That’s more than enough umph to get a 1 kg slug from the moon’s surface to low earth orbit. In fact, its enough to get a 16 ½ kg slug back to LEO if aerobraking were used.
The state of the art railgun is enough for being used as a mass driver. However, for lunar mining the railgun we need will be significantly larger. What about one for one ton slugs?
Thomas stated that the technology at this point was relatively linear for building up capacity in the energy to mass ratio, although understandably, he didn’t reveal the exact numbers. After all, its for the USN’s new uber cannon after all that is intended have a 200+ mile (300+ km) range. However, given that Blizter is somewhere between 10 to 15 tons, that gives us a base number to work with if we can figure out the energy required for one ton slugs.
Thomas was kind enough to provide a ballpark number. That number was in excess of 2 gigajoules. That’s enough for us to try to extrapolate a minimum system mass. That would come in around 1000 times more massive than Blizter…which makes it as massive as a USN Ticonderoga class cruiser by itself.
While being awesomely scalable, it would literally require hundreds of FalconHeavy launches to get to the Moon. A one ton slug of pure platinum, our upper bound for a first approximation of economic viability, would be worth around $55 million. Just to cover the costs of the FalconHeavy launches, it would take four plus slugs for a single launch with equipment and that would just cover the equipment for transport back to earth and not the refining.
In the end…
There is no way, even with exorbitant PGM prices in excess of $50,000/kg that it is remotely economically viable to mine the moon. Proving the source alone would break the budget for mine development when compared to terrestrial sources. Getting the mining process worked out, even when not taking into consideration the very unique lunar conditions, will also break the bank several times over. The cost of transport dominates the equation and that will not change sufficiently enough to make the endeavor viable.
Continuing to claim that it is viable and worth pursuing at this point is … presenting as much of a chimera to potential backers as suggesting that mining Helium-3 is. It is a hue disservice to us all. All it takes is a potential backer to consult a mining professional to discredit the position. Then, more than likely, the backer will be averse to working with many, if not most Moon projects. Perhaps someday in the future lunar platinum group and rare earth element mining will become viable, unlike He-3, but…not now. Definitely not now or even in the foreseeable future.
In wrap up, Team Phoenicia’s rover, Victory on Pangaea, will not be sporting a instrument package that is designed around helping a lunar mining operation get underway. Alas.
PS. Yes, this was the short version of the article.
PPS. This applies to asteroid mining as well.
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
AAIA-SF/SVSC Techtalk at Hackerdojo 11/3/11
Team Phoenicia is proud to announce that we have been invited to present in the AAIA SF section and Silicon Valley Space Center techtalk series. We will be talking on Nov 3rd at 6:30 PM to 8:00 PM at Hackerdojo. This is a free session and we encourage as many as possible to attend. We will talk about our participation and progress in the GLXP and the ways that we fund our efforts.
Saturday, October 1, 2011
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Thursday, September 29, 2011
A Parallel Public Seminar
Team Phoenicia is delighted that we will have a second parallel seminar happening at the same time the Nanosat Launcher Challenge seminar will be taking place. NASA, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, and Clean Tech Open will be presenting at Techshop - Menlo Park about the Centennial Challenges in general, Sample Return Robot Challenge, Power Beaming Challenge, and Nightrover Challenge.
UPDATE: THIS IS NOV 12.
This seminar is FREE and open to the public.
Draft Agenda:
11:30 PM to 12:30: The Centennial Challenges, Sam Ortega, NASA
12:30 PM to 2:00 PM: Power Beaming Challenge, Ben Shelef, Spaceward Foundation
2:00 PM to 2:30 PM: BREAK (tours of techshop available)
2:30 PM to 4:00 PM: Night Rover Challenge, Josh Neubert, Cleantech Open
4:00 PM to 4:30 PM: BREAK (tours of techshop available)
4:30 PM to 6:00 PM: Sample Return Robot Challenge, Colleen Shaver, WPI
6:00 PM to 6:30 PM: Thank you and invitation to the social
6:30 PM to 10:00 PM: Dinner and social (combined with Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar) Note: Dinner is NOT free.
Wednesday, September 28, 2011
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Wednesday, September 21, 2011
An Appearance at Space Exploration: Not Just for Billionaires Anymore
Team Phoenicia was delighted to participate in the MIT/Stanford Venture Lab Seminar entitled "Space Exploration: Not Just for Billionaires Anymore." Two team members, Anand Karasi and Mel Olivares, participated in the networking session of the seminar. They were hosted at the Silicon Valley Space Center booth and displayed a Z150 rocket engine with injector plate and manifold, a Z550 thrust chamber, a pair of unwelded 6 in (15 cm) milled pressure vessel hemispheres, and a spun 18 in (45 cm) spun aluminum propellant tank.
Anand and Mel reported back that things went exceedingly well and we made a number of new contacts. They stated that a lot of people were very impressed by the manufacturing that the team has done.
We look forward to participating in many more events in the local area promoting NewSpace.
We want to thank Dr Sean Casey for the invitation and being willing to give us display space.
Friday, September 16, 2011
2nd Nanosat Launcher Challenge Seminar Draft Agenda Updated 9/16/2011
This is the draft agenda for the 2nd Nanosatellite Launcher Challenge. Note that the public lecture at Techshop - Menlo Park is not listed, but will take place in the TechShop - Menlo Park conference room at 5 PM and is free to the public.
Note: This agenda is evolving as groups and individuals that we have contacted get back to us. Please check regularly for changes.
8 AM to 8:50 AM: Sign in and continental breakfast
8:50 AM to 9:00 AM: Welcome by William Baird of Team Phoenicia
9:00 AM t0 9:30 AM: NASA Presentation: Aspirations of the Nanosat Launcher Challenge by Samuel Ortega, Program Manager, Centennial Challenges
9:30 AM to 10:00 AM: Nano-Satellite Launch Market Assessment by Jeff Denis of SpaceWorks
10:00 AM to 10:30 AM: The Potential of an Affordable, Responsive Nanosat Launcher
10:30 AM to 10:45 AM: BREAK
10:45 AM to 11:15 AM: Nanosat Markets, Economics and Keeping Realistic, Carlos Yu
11:15 AM to 11:45 AM: Connecting to Launchers to Customers, Amaresh Kollipara
11:45 AM to 12:00 PM: BREAK
12:00 PM to 2:00 PM: Draft Rules presented by the allied organization (as a working lunch)
2:00 PM to 2:15 PM: BREAK
2:15 PM to 3:30 PM: FAA AST presentation
3:30 PM to 3:45 PM: BREAK
3:45 PM to 4:15 PM: Mid Atlantic Regional Spaceport, Laurie Naismith.
4:15 PM to 4:45 PM: Spaceport America, Dr Bill Gutman
4:45 PM to 5:15 PM: Space Florida, Percy Luney
5:15 PM to 5:30 PM: BREAK
5:30 PM to 6:00 PM: Fourth Launch Site
6:00 PM to 6:30 PM: Fifth Launch Site
6:00 PM to 6:30 PM: Fifth Launch Site
6:30 PM: Dinner at Techshop - Menlo Park
10:00 PM: close out.
November 13th:
8:00 AM to 8:50 AM: check-in.
8:50 AM to 9:00 AM: Welcome remarks
9:00 AM to 10:00 AM: Additional feedback to the Allied Org
10:00 AM to 11:00 AM: Panel on Funding the NLC bids
11:00 AM to 11:15 AM: BREAK
11:15 AM to 11:25 AM: CADTrak, David Levitt
11:25 AM to 11:35 AM: Second Supplier Presentation
11:35 AM to 11:45 AM: Third Supplier Presentation
11:45 AM to 11:55 AM: Fourth Supplier Presentation
11:55 AM to 12:05 PM: Fifth Supplier Presentation
12:05 PM to 12:15 PM: Team Phoenicia as a Supplier Presentation
12:15 PM to 1:30 PM: Lunch
1:30 PM to 1:40 PM: Generation Orbit, AC Charania
1:40 PM to 1:50 PM: Interorbital Systems, Randa Milliron
1:50 PM to 2:00 PM: Seraphim Aerospace Systems, Curt Walsh
2:10 PM to 2:20 PM: Vog Rockets
2:20 PM to 2:30 PM: Nova Rocketcraft, Sumontro Sinha
2:30 PM to 2:45 PM: BREAK
2:45 PM to 2:55 PM: Sixth Team Presentation
2:55 PM to 3:05 PM: Seventh Team Presentation
3:05 PM to 3:15 PM: Eighth Team Presentation
3:15 PM to 3:25 PM: Ninth Team Presentation
3:25 PM to 3:35 PM: Tenth Team Presentation
3:35 PM to 3:45 PM: BREAK
3:45 PM to 4:45 PM: Networking Session
4:45 PM to 4:55 PM: Samuel Ortega, NASA's commentary and closing remarks
4:55 PM to 5:00 PM: closing 'remarks' by William Baird of Team Phoenicia
5:00 PM to 8:00 PM: informal dinner at TechShop
10 PM: Close out.
Feedback is always welcome.
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